This year's All-SEC team would beat..

[starbuck]

1999 draft

Round 1
1 (1) Cleveland Browns - Tim Couch, QB Kentucky
2 (2) Philadelphia Eagles - Donovan McNabb, QB Syracuse
3 (3) Cincinnati Bengals - Akili Smith, QB Oregon
4 (4) Indianapolis Colts - Edgerrin James, RB Miami (FL)
5 (5) New Orleans Saints - Ricky Williams, RB Texas
6 (6) St. Louis Rams - Torry Holt, WR North Carolina State
7 (7) Washington Redskins - Champ Bailey, DB Georgia
8 (8) Arizona Cardinals - David Boston, WR Ohio State
9 (9) Detroit Lions - Chris Claiborne, LB USC
10 (10) Baltimore Ravens - Chris McAlister, DB Arizona
11 (11) Minnesota Vikings - Daunte Culpepper, QB Central Florida
12 (12) Chicago Bears - Cade McNown, QB UCLA
13 (13) Pittsburgh Steelers - Troy Edwards, WR Louisiana Tech
14 (14) Kansas City Chiefs - John Tait, T Brigham Young
15 (15) Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Anthony McFarland, DT Louisiana State
16 (16) Tennessee Oilers - Jevon Kearse, LB Florida
17 (17) New England Patriots - Damien Woody, C Boston College
18 (18) Oakland Raiders - Matt Stinchcomb, T Georgia
19 (19) New York Giants - Luke Petitgout, T Notre Dame
20 (20) Dallas Cowboys - Ebenezer Ekuban, DE North Carolina
21 (21) Arizona Cardinals - L.J. Shelton, T Eastern Michigan
22 (22) Seattle Seahawks - Lamar King, DE Saginaw Valley State
23 (23) Buffalo Bills - Antoine Winfield, DB Ohio State
24 (24) San Francisco 49ers - Reggie McGrew, DT Florida
25 (25) Green Bay Packers - Antwan Edwards, DB Clemson
26 (26) Jacksonville Jaguars - Fernando Bryant, DB Alabama
27 (27) Detroit Lions - Aaron Gibson, T Wisconsin
28 (28) New England Patriots - Andy Katzenmoyer, LB Ohio State
29 (29) Minnesota Vikings - Dimitrius Underwood, DE Michigan State
30 (30) Atlanta Falcons - Patrick Kerney, DE Virginia
31 (31) Denver Broncos - Al Wilson, LB Tennessee

[starbuck]

2001 NFL draft

1. Atlanta Falcons (from San Diego) - Michael Vick, QB Virginia Tech
2. Arizona Cardinals - Leonard Davis, OT Texas
3. Cleveland Browns - Gerard Warren, DT Florida
4. Cincinnati Bengals - Justin Smith, DE Missouri
5. San Diego Chargers (from Atlanta) - LaDainian Tomlinson, RB Texas Christian
6. New England Patriots - Richard Seymour, DT Georgia
7. San Francisco 49ers (from Seattle from Dallas) - Andre Carter, DE California
8. Chicago Bears - David Terrell, WR Michigan
9. Seattle (from San Francisco), Koren Robinson - WR North Carolina State
10. Green Bay (from Seattle) - Jamal Reynolds, DE Florida State
11. Carolina Panthers - Dan Morgan, LB Miami
12. St. Louis Rams (from Kansas City) - Damione Lewis, DT Miami
13. Jacksonville Jaguars - Marcus Stroud, DT Georgia
14. Tampa Bay (from Buffalo) - Kenyatta Walker, OT Florida
15. Washington Redskins - Rod Gardner, WR Clemson
16. New York Jets (from Pittsburgh) - Santana Moss, WR Miami
17. Seattle Seahawks (from Green Bay) - Steve Hutchinson, G Michigan
18. Detroit Lions - Jeff Backus, G Michigan
19. Pittsburgh Steelers (from New York Jets) - Casey Hampton, DT Texas
20. St. Louis Rams - Adam Archuleta, S Arizona State
21. Buffalo Bills (from Tampa Bay) - Nate Clements, CB Ohio State
22. New York Giants (from Indianapolis) - Will Allen, CB Syracuse
23. New Orleans Saints - Deuce McAllister, RB Ole Miss
24. Denver Broncos - Willie Middlebrooks, CB Minnesota
25. Philadelphia Eagles - Freddie Mitchell, WR UCLA
26. Miami Dolphins - Jamar Fletcher, CB Wisconsin
27. Minnesota Vikings - Michael Bennett, RB Wisconsin
28. Oakland Raiders - Derrick Gibson, S Florida State
29. St. Louis Rams (from Tennessee) - Ryan Pickett, DE Ohio State
30. Indianapolis Colts (from New York Giants) - Reggie Wayne, WR Miami
31. Baltimore Ravens - Todd Heap, TE Arizona State

[Biggin]

2001 NFL draft

1. Atlanta Falcons (from San Diego) - Michael Vick, QB Virginia Tech
2. Arizona Cardinals - Leonard Davis, OT Texas
3. Cleveland Browns - Gerard Warren, DT Florida
4. Cincinnati Bengals - Justin Smith, DE Missouri
5. San Diego Chargers (from Atlanta) - LaDainian Tomlinson, RB Texas Christian
6. New England Patriots - Richard Seymour, DT Georgia
7. San Francisco 49ers (from Seattle from Dallas) - Andre Carter, DE California
8. Chicago Bears - David Terrell, WR Michigan
9. Seattle (from San Francisco), Koren Robinson - WR North Carolina State
10. Green Bay (from Seattle) - Jamal Reynolds, DE Florida State
11. Carolina Panthers - Dan Morgan, LB Miami
12. St. Louis Rams (from Kansas City) - Damione Lewis, DT Miami
13. Jacksonville Jaguars - Marcus Stroud, DT Georgia
14. Tampa Bay (from Buffalo) - Kenyatta Walker, OT Florida
15. Washington Redskins - Rod Gardner, WR Clemson
16. New York Jets (from Pittsburgh) - Santana Moss, WR Miami
17. Seattle Seahawks (from Green Bay) - Steve Hutchinson, G Michigan
18. Detroit Lions - Jeff Backus, G Michigan
19. Pittsburgh Steelers (from New York Jets) - Casey Hampton, DT Texas
20. St. Louis Rams - Adam Archuleta, S Arizona State
21. Buffalo Bills (from Tampa Bay) - Nate Clements, CB Ohio State
22. New York Giants (from Indianapolis) - Will Allen, CB Syracuse
23. New Orleans Saints - Deuce McAllister, RB Ole Miss
24. Denver Broncos - Willie Middlebrooks, CB Minnesota
25. Philadelphia Eagles - Freddie Mitchell, WR UCLA
26. Miami Dolphins - Jamar Fletcher, CB Wisconsin
27. Minnesota Vikings - Michael Bennett, RB Wisconsin
28. Oakland Raiders - Derrick Gibson, S Florida State
29. St. Louis Rams (from Tennessee) - Ryan Pickett, DE Ohio State
30. Indianapolis Colts (from New York Giants) - Reggie Wayne, WR Miami
31. Baltimore Ravens - Todd Heap, TE Arizona State

There are FIVE players off that list that I didnt immediately recognize as a capable NFL starter.

that proves my point.

Jamal Reynolds-never had an impact
Rod Gardner isnt on a team.
Willie Middlebrook is in the CFL
Jamar Fletcher isnt on a team
Derrick Gibson is out of the league

Now, lets look at the rest;Here are the pro bowlers from that list;
Mike Vick
LT
Reggie Wayne
Todd Heap
Deuce McCallister
Richard Seymour
Leonard Davis
Casey Hampton
Nate Clements
Marcus Stroud
Santana Moss
Steve Huchinson

thats 12 TWELVE former pro-bowlers from that team, more than any single team in the NFL had last year.

Thanks for proving my point.
The top 22 players on both sides of the ball from the 2001 draft would beat the Detroit Lions.

[Biggin]

2000 draft results

Round 1
1 (1) Cleveland Browns - Courtney Brown, DE Penn State
2 (2) Washington Redskins - LaVar Arrington, LB Penn State
3 (3) Washington Redskins - Chris Samuels, T Alabama
4 (4) Cincinnati Bengals - Peter Warrick, WR Florida State
5 (5) Baltimore Ravens - Jamal Lewis, RB Tennessee
6 (6) Philadelphia Eagles - Corey Simon, DT Florida State
7 (7) Arizona Cardinals - Thomas Jones, RB Virginia
8 (8) Pittsburgh Steelers - Plaxico Burress, WR Michigan State
9 (9) Chicago Bears - Brian Urlacher, LB New Mexico
10 (10) Baltimore Ravens - Travis Taylor, WR Florida
11 (11) New York Giants - Ron Dayne, RB Wisconsin
12 (12) New York Jets - Shaun Ellis, DE Tennessee
13 (13) New York Jets - John Abraham, LB South Carolina
14 (14) Green Bay Packers - Bubba Franks, TE Miami (FL)
15 (15) Denver Broncos - Deltha O'Neal, DB California
16 (16) San Francisco 49ers - Julian Peterson, LB Michigan State
17 (17) Oakland Raiders - Sebastian Janikowski, K Florida State
18 (18) New York Jets - Chad Pennington, QB Marshall
19 (19) Seattle Seahawks - Shaun Alexander, RB Alabama
20 (20) Detroit Lions - Stockar McDougle, T Oklahoma
21 (21) Kansas City Chiefs - Sylvester Morris, WR Jackson State
22 (22) Seattle Seahawks - Chris McIntosh, T Wisconsin
23 (23) Carolina Panthers - Rashard Anderson, DB Jackson State
24 (24) San Francisco 49ers - Ahmed Plummer, DB Ohio State
25 (25) Minnesota Vikings - Chris Hovan, DT Boston College
26 (26) Buffalo Bills - Erik Flowers, DE Arizona State
27 (27) New York Jets - Anthony Becht, TE West Virginia
28 (28) Indianapolis Colts - Rob Morris, LB Brigham Young
29 (29) Jacksonille Jaguars - R. Jay Soward, WR USC
30 (30) Tennessee Titans - Keith Bulluck, LB Syracuse
31 (31) St. Louis Rams - Trung Canidate, RB Arizona

Players that never panned out;
Courtney Brown
Travis Taylor
Stockar McDougle
Sylvester Morris (injuries, so you said not to count that)
Chris McIntosh (neck injury)
Reshard Anderson
Erik Flowers
r jay soward
Trung Candidate

That means out of 31 players, only 7 SEVEN were not capable NFL starters

Pro-Bowlers;
LaVar Arrington
Chris Samuels
Jamal Lewis
Thomas Jones
Brian Urlacher
Plax Burress (all Pro, actually better than pro bowl)
Shaun Ellis
John Abraham
Bubba Franks
Julian Peterson
Deltha O'Neil
Shaun Alexander
Chad Pennington (alternate)
Chris Hovan
Keith Bullock

that is 15!!! FIFTEEN players out of 31 that have made a pro-bowl
you are just making my point for me.

[pvfan]

What you don't realize is that it takes more than 22 to play! Come on biggin, this is insane. Special teams, depth, third down backs, nickel backs, etc.

[starbuck]

There are FIVE players off that list that I didnt immediately recognize as a capable NFL starter.

that proves my point.

Jamal Reynolds-never had an impact
Rod Gardner isnt on a team.
Willie Middlebrook is in the CFL
Jamar Fletcher isnt on a team
Derrick Gibson is out of the league

Now, lets look at the rest;Here are the pro bowlers from that list;
Mike Vick
LT
Reggie Wayne
Todd Heap
Deuce McCallister
Richard Seymour
Leonard Davis
Casey Hampton
Nate Clements
Marcus Stroud
Santana Moss
Steve Huchinson

thats 12 TWELVE former pro-bowlers from that team, more than any single team in the NFL had last year.

Thanks for proving my point.
The top 22 players on both sides of the ball from the 2001 draft would beat the Detroit Lions.

the big mistake you are making is you are looking at what these guys have become. you are saying take the top draft picks, put them on a team and they would beat the Lions. How many of these guys made an impact their rookie season? how many made the pro-bowl their rookie season. you are wanting to take rookies from the top of the dradft or the All SEC team and put them on a team against a team of pro's and the Lions win that game. Sure, if you keep that "all star" team together for 2 or 3 years and let them mature but as rookies, not a chance.

and the Steelers had how many pro-bowlers on their CHAMPIONSHIP team? 3 or 4? having 12 pro-bowlers don't make you a championship team. Ask the Jets or the Cowboys. Plus you will have Mike Vick leading your team. If I recall, almost everyone was putting him down as a starting qb for the Falcons.

We will disagree on this one.

[Biggin]

Are you serious?
Do you not realize the talent level on that team alone would make them a touchdown favorite over any team in the NFL.

Now you guys are just getting picky, you cant expect to take this as literal as you are taking it, most kickers arent selected in the first round, only 32 players isnt a team, yeah i know, but thats not the point nor the concept.
I am saying, the talent level on these teams when it gets to the NFL makes it a very powerful team. Yeah, everybody needs depth and kickers and special teams, but when talking about the 22 major starting positions, if they were the starters on any NFL team, as rookies, they would beat the Detroit Lions.

the 2000 NFL draft team, the one he brought up, would destory most NFL teams, with the 32 players in the first round as starters on a team.

[sup-rbeast]

Lions starting RB-Kevin Smith
SEC RB-Charles Scott (LSU) ((could be 5 different guys))*
adv-SEC

There are a couple of RBs down on the plains makin a lil noise as well...by season's end they'll prolly be as good a RB tandem as there is in the SEC.

[Biggin]

I dunno about that;

By the end of the year, every team will have two great rushers.

I like Alabama's personally hah, with Ingram running all over VT and Trent Richardson rushing for 100 yards and 2 TD's against FIU, with Upchurch and Grant coming in to throw teams off, itll be tough for anyone to stop Alabama from running the ball.

[sup-rbeast]

I'd take Tate and McCalebb over any tandem in the SEC..AU has quite an arsenal at their disposal this year. Their best WR is yet to play at this point as well. And still, there's Fannin and Smith...and IMO Burns does a pretty good job of runnin the wildcat. Auburn is very likely to go into the UT game 4-0...and as the confidence builds they may have a legitimate say in who represents the west in the SEC title game.